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Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:10 pm PostPost subject: Plumbed in Fire Extinguishers
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inthink it's way past time to fit one of these plumbed in setups. I have had a handheld for years but in knowing it's unlikely that it would be much help if the worst should happen.

I was hoping to get some guidance/ suggestions on what to go for.

Is there much difference across the huge range available?

What accessories are required (if any) for installation?


Where do you point the jets?

Any tips on bottle placement?


And finally


I've had my eye on this -

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fire-extinguisher-systems-plumbed-in/sparco-mechanical-4-25-ltr-alloy-bottle-fire-extinguisher-kit

It's alloy and mid range price wise, what do you think?


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Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:52 pm PostPost subject:
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It looks very big/heavy.

Where required for MSA events, I think you'd only need "medium" which is a minimum of 2.25l for a plumbed in system if I'm reading it right. You can go as large as you want though. MSA 2015 Blue Book, Section K 3.1.2 and table 3 if you're interested.

I have four "jets". Two either side of engine bay pointing towards engine and two in cockpit on top of transmission tunnel, one pointing to pedals and one towards me.

In terms of placement, you can place it to distribute weight, usually passenger side footwell as that keeps the hosing to a minimum, again keeping wieght down.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:25 pm PostPost subject:
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It does look heavy doesn't it.

I keep thinking, I built this, I need a huge fire extinguisher !!

What about this one -

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fire-extinguisher-systems-plumbed-in/omp-platinum-collection-ultralight-electrical-fire-extinguisher-system-2-5kg

Big money, is it worth it? Is it big enough?
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heavy but alloy.... Large does mean more extinguishant though Smile

Fee runs a plumbed in 6nozzle 4.25l system AND a 1l handheld

Call me old fashioned but I just have more faith in a pull chord mechanical system over an electrical one Laughing Too tempting to press the button too
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:43 pm PostPost subject:
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heavy but alloy.... Large does mean more extinguishant though Smile

Fee runs a plumbed in 6nozzle 4.25l system AND a 1l handheld

Call me old fashioned but I just have more faith in a pull chord mechanical system over an electrical one Laughing Too tempting to press the button too


To be fair, you guys do tend to have more uses for fire extinguishers than most of us, all of us put together in fact Very Happy
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:02 pm PostPost subject:
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Are they dated ?

I'm thinking if I bought that really expensive one would it be useless after a few years?

Also can they be refilled if used? (Assuming a successful outcome of course !)
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Are they dated ?

I'm thinking if I bought that really expensive one would it be useless after a few years?

Also can they be refilled if used? (Assuming a successful outcome of course !)


Not dated, but need to be suitably pressured and maintained. FWIW, I haven't touched mine (touch wood) for 4 years and it's still almost at full pressure.

Can be refilled, Chorlton (Chris White) is your man for that Thumbs Up
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4 jets exactly where HummuH says, bottle where he says, mechanical (pull cord) as Adam says & 2.25 or 4.5ltr max AFFF (foam) type & I can refill or service for 10-20% of what Tweeks/lifeline will hit you for if ever needed Shocked

I can't help with electric fired or other than AFFF

Life cycle is 10yr from new & serviced/dated every 2yr during.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:30 pm PostPost subject:
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I was just talking to my friend who has prepd and racers lot more than me. He was suggesting that if it's not a regulatory requirement, a couple of handheld maybe a better option at actually extinguishing the fire.

What do you think ?
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razzele wrote:
I was just talking to my friend who has prepd and racers lot more than me. He was suggesting that if it's not a regulatory requirement, a couple of handheld maybe a better option at actually extinguishing the fire.

What do you think ?


Not so sure about that, would you want to open your bonnet when there's a fire underneath it? How long will it take you to stop, release harnesses, release bonnet, open bonnet (try not to be engulfed in flames) use extinguisher compared to pulling a chord/pushing a button?

No doubt when compared they will put out a fire better as you can direct directly towards the source.

I think Adam and Fee's solution is best, one of each.
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Jjc are cheaper than demon tweeks as well
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Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:39 am PostPost subject:
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razzele wrote:
I was just talking to my friend who has prepd and racers lot more than me. He was suggesting that if it's not a regulatory requirement, a couple of handheld maybe a better option at actually extinguishing the fire.

What do you think ?


As others have said, consider why you are fitting it. If it is purely to meet regulations, then for Speed events, you don't need one, sothe weight and money. If you're considering your safety and on a tightish budget, and may consider racing I'd go for a medium mechanical plumbed in. You need to make sure the cables remain free, and require a pull of the cable to activate. Electrical systems are lighter, but rely on wiring and a battery, easier to activate.
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Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:59 am PostPost subject:
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We got the one for the Civic off JJC (part of Demon Tweeks iirc). FIA certified, cheap, easy to plumb in.

Would recommend 4 nozzles:
Drivers footwell
Straight at driver
Fuel rail
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Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:47 pm PostPost subject:
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Thanks for all your inputs. I ordered a 4.25L from JJC, their own make. Very well priced, hopefully should be with me tomorrow.

I really like the idea of having one mounted in the car to get an immediate shot on a fire. Then when touring/offtrack an additional hand held to hopefully finish the job.
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