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Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:25 am PostPost subject: Dash Systems
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At somepoint I feel I should upgrade my OE dash to an LCD jobbie with all the relevant info from ECU displayed - with warning lights etc, and a nice bright rev counter.

Fee has an AIM MXL Strada/Pista - I like it... but i'm a cheapo and dont want to pay that much.

AIM MXL Strada - 700
AIM MXL Pista - 1400


http://www.aimshop.co.uk/collections/car-racing-dataloggers/products/aim-mxl-pista-road-graphic-car

    8 analog channels (Temperatures, Pressures, Potentiometers, Lambda probe, Gyro, custom sensors)
    Max sampling frequency 2000 Hz
    6 configurable alarm leds
    10 configurable shift lights
    8Mb memory
    1 RPM channel
    1 speed channel
    Engaged gear visualization
    Internal lateral g sensor
    CAN/RS232 Protocol for ECU interface
    USB cable for data download
    Connectors: 2 AMP + 2 Binder


AIM MXG - WANT... but dont want to pay 1700


http://www.aimshop.co.uk/collections/car-racing-dataloggers/products/aim-mxg-dash

RaceTechnology Dash2 - 500ish


http://www.race-technology.com/dash2_2_31.html

    Custom LCD panel dashboard display, clearly visible under any light condition, specification
    Water resistant for open top or motorcycle applications
    Compact and slim
    Suitable for any engine installation with a fully configurable RPM scale
    Optimise your gear changes with the configurable ultra bright shift lights
    Road legal, everything required for an MOT or SVA testing including tamperproof odometer, backlit display and mandatory warning lights.
    Lap and sector time display using a separate data logger
    Easy integration with other Race Technology products
    Stand alone operation
    Directly connect up to 4 engine or gearbox sensors along with RPM and wheel speed channels (sensors not included)
    Display information from your ECU using our CAN via a serial interface
    Monitor your engine and display high/low alarms for any parameter.
    Gear position indicator. Calculated or using a gearbox sensor
    User selectable units MPH/miles or KPH/km
    Display the information you want to see with 5 user defined screens
    Control the DASH2 and a data logger with the external button set (optional)



Toucan - Are these really viable as a standalone dash? Touch screen, configurable but maybe more of an addition. - 450

http://www.jti.uk.com/toucan/


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Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:34 am PostPost subject:
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I wouldn't bother .... we won't have the second car for much longer Razz
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Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:06 am PostPost subject:
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Focus on one car only and then fight over who gets to drive when Adam's home? Sounds interesting.


I looked at the Toucan system as the designer was a Scoobynet member. I think I decided against it in the end as it was possibly too small a screen. I think it's really a secondary screen to replace other gauges.
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I've got an AIM MXL Pro, only got because I was offered it for buttons.

Here's my take on it. I find it great for shift lights, configurable warning lights and engine data logging.

The night vision mode is very cool too but haven't raced in circumstances to use it.

The multi display is very good too but it's awkward to scroll through as the buttons are always behind the wheel unless you program them to steering wheel buttons. So, you only tend to scroll through when you're stationary but can be useful to check all is in order before you go out on track.

Having all that info is great but the only thing at Knockhill you have time to look at when on track is shift lights and warning lights. Even then you don't look at them, you notice them from peripheral vision.
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Other thing worth noting is that unless they've changed it, to get the laptiming function you need to buy extra gear to get it to work. Think it adds on another 500 or so.

The AIM Smartycam system is quite cool too but again, that's another 800 or so.
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Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:45 am PostPost subject:
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ah so i love this kind of stuff so for me i always approach it from a very robotic scientific kind of way. For me you want to split it down from what you need and for me it is 2 situations:

1 - what do I need when I am driving
2 - what do i need when i am not driving

For most when driving of less is more so you need:

Shift lights
oh shit something is going to blow up light
Speedo?
Lap Timing?

So you are into the realms of either going for something that covers that off in a non-configurable way or going for a panel you can do what the hell you want.

Toucan sounds hella interesting as the stack dash in the R300 is 2k!! AIM MXG is pretty but meh if its clear thats the great thing but contrast would be a worry in bright sunlight for any TFT panel.

I always wondered about the possibility of getting (if you can) just a random windows tablet with USB then getting a OBD <> USB cable. I know Caterham has one and then with suitable software could do what hell you want.

Alternatives
Or http://www.motec.com.au/c125racedisplaykit/c125racedisplaykitoverview/ though no european resellers.
http://www.etbinstruments.com/DD2_lite.htm
http://www.racepak.com/Components/IQ3_Display.php
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andybell wrote:
AIM MXG is pretty but meh if its clear thats the great thing but contrast would be a worry in bright sunlight for any TFT panel.


AIM MXG is far from meh, it's the best digi-dash I've ever laid eyes on. The display is awesome.

Anything else, even the other AIM products just look a bit "Poundland" in comparison.

I think AIM are overpriced but they are arguably the best "all in one" digi-dash/data units out there. Great, easy to use software too which can make a huge difference to the usability of these type of units.
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where can I get a MXG for peanuts?

Seems Fee is giving me her car... so why not replace hers with one of them Razz
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AK wrote:
where can I get a MXG for peanuts?

Seems Fee is giving me her car... so why not replace hers with one of them Razz


Race teams or ex-display/demo, but peanuts is relative Very Happy

I got my MXL from a race team who had it lying about doing nothing.
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AK wrote:
where can I get a MXG for peanuts?

Seems Fee is giving me her car... so why not replace hers with one of them Razz


I don't think that's quite what I said Shocked ! But on the basis that neither of us would be in the country to drive it anyway, I'll let it slip! Wink
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by meh I meant its a lot of money for a pretty looking configurable display that as you and others have said you only really need warning/shift lights. With my background in work I love/appreciate the techy side of it but 2k for a shift light and warning lights is harsh.
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andybell wrote:
by meh I meant its a lot of money for a pretty looking configurable display that as you and others have said you only really need warning/shift lights. With my background in work I love/appreciate the techy side of it but 2k for a shift light and warning lights is harsh.


True, but it does do a lot more than that and the display would actually be readable at a quick glance.
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I was just completely rubbish at looking at separate guages...so having them all infront of me and together is much better

2k to having a big warning light right in front of me that could save my engine I would say is money well spent
(True, my ECU is now set up that it should go into limp mode first anyway, but still worth it as a back up)
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Fee actually uses her dash... more if something goes red she looks, or if somthing doesnt 'feel right - she looks to check

She had a lot of the info in various displays before - ignored it.
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and in all honesty I would probably go for the stupidly expensive one for coolness pov Wink I would spend my life designing the screen and probably drive a hell of a lot less. I really have got things arse over tit
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